{"id":"an3.66","title":"With Sāḷha and His Friend","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"an3.66","title":"With Sāḷha and His Friend","units":[{"id":"an3.66:0","sourceIds":["an3.66:0.1","an3.66:0.2","an3.66:0.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Aṅguttara Nikāya 3.66\n7. Mahāvagga\nSāḷhasutta","en":"Numbered Discourses 3.66\n7. The Great Chapter\nWith Sāḷha and His Friend"}},{"id":"an3.66:1","sourceIds":["an3.66:1.1","an3.66:1.2","an3.66:1.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evaṁ me sutaṁ—\nekaṁ samayaṁ āyasmā nandako sāvatthiyaṁ viharati pubbārāme migāramātupāsāde.\nAtha kho sāḷho ca migāranattā sāṇo ca sekhuniyanattā yenāyasmā nandako tenupasaṅkamiṁsu; upasaṅkamitvā āyasmantaṁ nandakaṁ abhivādetvā ekamantaṁ nisīdiṁsu. Ekamantaṁ nisinnaṁ kho sāḷhaṁ migāranattāraṁ āyasmā nandako etadavoca:","en":"So I have heard.\nNow at that time Venerable Nandaka was staying near Sāvatthī in the stilt longhouse of Migāra’s mother in the Eastern Monastery.\nThen Sāḷha, Migāra’s grandson, and Rohaṇa, Pekhuṇiya’s grandson went up to Venerable Nandaka, bowed, and sat down to one side. Then Venerable Nandaka said to Sāḷha:"}},{"id":"an3.66:2","sourceIds":["an3.66:2.1","an3.66:2.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Etha tumhe, sāḷhā, mā anussavena, mā paramparāya, mā itikirāya, mā piṭakasampadānena, mā takkahetu, mā nayahetu, mā ākāraparivitakkena, mā diṭṭhinijjhānakkhantiyā, mā bhabbarūpatāya, mā samaṇo no garūti.\nYadā tumhe, sāḷhā, attanāva jāneyyātha ‘ime dhammā akusalā, ime dhammā sāvajjā, ime dhammā viññugarahitā, ime dhammā samattā samādinnā ahitāya dukkhāya saṁvattantī’ti, atha tumhe, sāḷhā, pajaheyyātha.","en":"“Please, Sāḷha and friend, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’\nBut when you know for yourselves: ‘These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering’, then you should give them up."}},{"id":"an3.66:3","sourceIds":["an3.66:3.1","an3.66:3.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā,\natthi lobho”ti?","en":"What do you think, Sāḷha?\nIs greed real?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:4","sourceIds":["an3.66:4.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:5","sourceIds":["an3.66:5.1","an3.66:5.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Abhijjhāti kho ahaṁ, sāḷhā, etamatthaṁ vadāmi.\nLuddho kho ayaṁ, sāḷhā, abhijjhālu pāṇampi hanati, adinnampi ādiyati, paradārampi gacchati, musāpi bhaṇati, parampi tathattāya samādapeti, yaṁ sa hoti dīgharattaṁ ahitāya dukkhāyā”ti.","en":"“‘Covetousness’ is what I mean by this.\nA person who is greedy and covetous kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:6","sourceIds":["an3.66:6.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:7","sourceIds":["an3.66:7.1","an3.66:7.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā,\natthi doso”ti?","en":"“What do you think, Sāḷha?\nIs hate real?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:8","sourceIds":["an3.66:8.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:9","sourceIds":["an3.66:9.1","an3.66:9.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Byāpādoti kho ahaṁ, sāḷhā, etamatthaṁ vadāmi.\nDuṭṭho kho ayaṁ, sāḷhā, byāpannacitto pāṇampi hanati, adinnampi ādiyati, paradārampi gacchati, musāpi bhaṇati, parampi tathattāya samādapeti, yaṁ sa hoti dīgharattaṁ ahitāya dukkhāyā”ti.","en":"“‘Malice’ is what I mean by this.\nA hateful and malicious person kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:10","sourceIds":["an3.66:10.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:11","sourceIds":["an3.66:11.1","an3.66:11.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā,\natthi moho”ti?","en":"“What do you think, Sāḷha?\nIs delusion real?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:12","sourceIds":["an3.66:12.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:13","sourceIds":["an3.66:13.1","an3.66:13.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Avijjāti kho ahaṁ, sāḷhā, etamatthaṁ vadāmi.\nMūḷho kho ayaṁ, sāḷhā, avijjāgato pāṇampi hanati, adinnampi ādiyati, paradārampi gacchati, musāpi bhaṇati, parampi tathattāya samādapeti, yaṁ sa hoti dīgharattaṁ ahitāya dukkhāyā”ti.","en":"“‘Ignorance’ is what I mean by this.\nA person who is deluded and ignorant kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:14","sourceIds":["an3.66:14.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:15","sourceIds":["an3.66:15.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā, ime dhammā kusalā vā akusalā vā”ti?","en":"“What do you think, Sāḷha, are these things skillful or unskillful?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:16","sourceIds":["an3.66:16.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Akusalā, bhante”.","en":"“Unskillful, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:17","sourceIds":["an3.66:17.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sāvajjā vā anavajjā vā”ti?","en":"“Blameworthy or blameless?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:18","sourceIds":["an3.66:18.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sāvajjā, bhante”.","en":"“Blameworthy, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:19","sourceIds":["an3.66:19.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Viññugarahitā vā viññuppasatthā vā”ti?","en":"“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:20","sourceIds":["an3.66:20.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Viññugarahitā, bhante”.","en":"“Criticized by sensible people, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:21","sourceIds":["an3.66:21.1","an3.66:21.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Samattā samādinnā ahitāya dukkhāya saṁvattanti, no vā?\nKathaṁ vā ettha hotī”ti?","en":"“When you undertake them, do they lead to harm and suffering, or not?\nOr how do you see this?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:22","sourceIds":["an3.66:22.1","an3.66:22.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Samattā, bhante, samādinnā ahitāya dukkhāya saṁvattantīti.\nEvaṁ no ettha hotī”ti.","en":"“When you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering.\nThat’s how we see it.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:23","sourceIds":["an3.66:23.1","an3.66:23.2","an3.66:23.3","an3.66:23.4","an3.66:23.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Iti kho, sāḷhā, yaṁ taṁ avocumhā:\n‘etha tumhe, sāḷhā, mā anussavena, mā paramparāya, mā itikirāya, mā piṭakasampadānena, mā takkahetu, mā nayahetu, mā ākāraparivitakkena, mā diṭṭhinijjhānakkhantiyā, mā bhabbarūpatāya, mā samaṇo no garūti.\nYadā tumhe, sāḷhā, attanāva jāneyyātha—\nime dhammā akusalā, ime dhammā sāvajjā, ime dhammā viññugarahitā, ime dhammā samattā samādinnā ahitāya dukkhāya saṁvattantīti, atha tumhe, sāḷhā, pajaheyyāthā’ti,\niti yaṁ taṁ vuttaṁ idametaṁ paṭicca vuttaṁ.","en":"“So, Sāḷha and friend, when I said:\n‘Please, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”\nBut when you know for yourselves:\n“These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering”, then you should give them up.’\nThat’s what I said, and this is why I said it."}},{"id":"an3.66:24","sourceIds":["an3.66:24.1","an3.66:24.2","an3.66:24.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Etha tumhe, sāḷhā, mā anussavena, mā paramparāya, mā itikirāya, mā piṭakasampadānena, mā takkahetu, mā nayahetu, mā ākāraparivitakkena, mā diṭṭhinijjhānakkhantiyā, mā bhabbarūpatāya, mā samaṇo no garūti.\nYadā tumhe, sāḷhā, attanāva jāneyyātha:\n‘ime dhammā kusalā, ime dhammā anavajjā, ime dhammā viññuppasatthā, ime dhammā samattā samādinnā hitāya sukhāya saṁvattantī’ti, atha tumhe, sāḷhā, upasampajja vihareyyātha.","en":"Please, Sāḷha and friend, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’\nBut when you know for yourselves:\n‘These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness’, then you should acquire them and keep them."}},{"id":"an3.66:25","sourceIds":["an3.66:25.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā, atthi alobho”ti?","en":"What do you think? Is contentment real?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:26","sourceIds":["an3.66:26.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:27","sourceIds":["an3.66:27.1","an3.66:27.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Anabhijjhāti kho ahaṁ, sāḷhā, etamatthaṁ vadāmi.\nAluddho kho ayaṁ, sāḷhā, anabhijjhālu neva pāṇaṁ hanati, na adinnaṁ ādiyati, na paradāraṁ gacchati, na musā bhaṇati, parampi na tathattāya samādapeti, yaṁ sa hoti dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāyā”ti.","en":"“‘Satisfaction’ is what I mean by this.\nA person who is content and satisfied doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:28","sourceIds":["an3.66:28.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:29","sourceIds":["an3.66:29.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā, atthi adoso”ti?","en":"“What do you think? Is love real?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:30","sourceIds":["an3.66:30.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:31","sourceIds":["an3.66:31.1","an3.66:31.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Abyāpādoti kho ahaṁ, sāḷhā, etamatthaṁ vadāmi.\nAduṭṭho kho ayaṁ, sāḷhā, abyāpannacitto neva pāṇaṁ hanati, na adinnaṁ ādiyati, na paradāraṁ gacchati, na musā bhaṇati, parampi na tathattāya samādapeti, yaṁ sa hoti dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāyā”ti.","en":"“‘Kindness’ is what I mean by this.\nA loving and kind-hearted person doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:32","sourceIds":["an3.66:32.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:33","sourceIds":["an3.66:33.1","an3.66:33.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā,\natthi amoho”ti?","en":"“What do you think, Sāḷha?\nIs understanding real?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:34","sourceIds":["an3.66:34.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:35","sourceIds":["an3.66:35.1","an3.66:35.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Vijjāti kho ahaṁ, sāḷhā, etamatthaṁ vadāmi.\nAmūḷho kho ayaṁ, sāḷhā, vijjāgato neva pāṇaṁ hanati, na adinnaṁ ādiyati, na paradāraṁ gacchati, na musā bhaṇati, parampi na tathattāya samādapeti, yaṁ sa hoti dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāyā”ti.","en":"“‘Knowledge’ is what I mean by this.\nA person who understands and knows doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:36","sourceIds":["an3.66:36.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Evaṁ, bhante”.","en":"“Yes, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:37","sourceIds":["an3.66:37.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, sāḷhā, ime dhammā kusalā vā akusalā vā”ti?","en":"“What do you think, Sāḷha, are these things skillful or unskillful?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:38","sourceIds":["an3.66:38.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Kusalā, bhante”.","en":"“Skillful, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:39","sourceIds":["an3.66:39.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sāvajjā vā anavajjā vā”ti?","en":"“Blameworthy or blameless?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:40","sourceIds":["an3.66:40.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Anavajjā, bhante”.","en":"“Blameless, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:41","sourceIds":["an3.66:41.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Viññugarahitā vā viññuppasatthā vā”ti?","en":"“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:42","sourceIds":["an3.66:42.1"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Viññuppasatthā, bhante”.","en":"“Praised by sensible people, sir.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:43","sourceIds":["an3.66:43.1","an3.66:43.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Samattā samādinnā hitāya sukhāya saṁvattanti, no vā?\nKathaṁ vā ettha hotī”ti?","en":"“When you undertake them, do they lead to welfare and happiness, or not?\nOr how do you see this?”"}},{"id":"an3.66:44","sourceIds":["an3.66:44.1","an3.66:44.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Samattā, bhante, samādinnā hitāya sukhāya saṁvattantīti.\nEvaṁ no ettha hotī”ti.","en":"“When you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness.\nThat’s how we see it.”"}},{"id":"an3.66:45","sourceIds":["an3.66:45.1","an3.66:45.2","an3.66:45.3","an3.66:45.4","an3.66:45.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Iti kho, sāḷhā, yaṁ taṁ avocumhā:\n‘etha tumhe, sāḷhā, mā anussavena, mā paramparāya, mā itikirāya, mā piṭakasampadānena, mā takkahetu, mā nayahetu, mā ākāraparivitakkena, mā diṭṭhinijjhānakkhantiyā, mā bhabbarūpatāya, mā samaṇo no garūti.\nYadā tumhe, sāḷhā, attanāva jāneyyātha—\nime dhammā kusalā, ime dhammā anavajjā, ime dhammā viññuppasatthā, ime dhammā samattā samādinnā dīgharattaṁ hitāya sukhāya saṁvattantīti, atha tumhe, sāḷhā, upasampajja vihareyyāthā’ti,\niti yaṁ taṁ vuttaṁ idametaṁ paṭicca vuttaṁ.","en":"“So, Sāḷha and friend, when I said:\n‘Please, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”\nBut when you know for yourselves:\n“These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness”, then you should acquire them and keep them.’\nThat’s what I said, and this is why I said it."}},{"id":"an3.66:46","sourceIds":["an3.66:46.1","an3.66:46.2","an3.66:46.3","an3.66:46.4","an3.66:46.5","an3.66:46.6","an3.66:46.7","an3.66:46.8","an3.66:46.9"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sa kho so, sāḷhā, ariyasāvako evaṁ vigatābhijjho vigatabyāpādo asammūḷho sampajāno patissato mettāsahagatena cetasā …pe…\nkaruṇā …\nmuditā …\nupekkhāsahagatena cetasā ekaṁ disaṁ pharitvā viharati, tathā dutiyaṁ, tathā tatiyaṁ, tathā catutthaṁ, iti uddhamadho tiriyaṁ sabbadhi sabbattatāya sabbāvantaṁ lokaṁ upekkhāsahagatena cetasā vipulena mahaggatena appamāṇena averena abyāpajjhena pharitvā viharati.\nSo evaṁ pajānāti:\n‘atthi idaṁ, atthi hīnaṁ, atthi paṇītaṁ, atthi imassa saññāgatassa uttari nissaraṇan’ti.\nTassa evaṁ jānato evaṁ passato kāmāsavāpi cittaṁ vimuccati, bhavāsavāpi cittaṁ vimuccati, avijjāsavāpi cittaṁ vimuccati;\nvimuttasmiṁ vimuttamiti ñāṇaṁ hoti.\n‘Khīṇā jāti, vusitaṁ brahmacariyaṁ, kataṁ karaṇīyaṁ, nāparaṁ itthattāyā’ti pajānāti.","en":"Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love …\ncompassion …\nrejoicing …\nequanimity to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of equanimity to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.\nThey understand:\n‘There is this, there is what is worse than this, there is what is better than this, and there is an escape beyond the scope of perception.’\nKnowing and seeing like this, their mind is freed from the defilements of sensuality, desire to be reborn, and ignorance.\nWhen they’re freed, they know they’re freed.\nThey understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’"}},{"id":"an3.66:47","sourceIds":["an3.66:47.1","an3.66:47.2","an3.66:47.3","an3.66:47.4","an3.66:47.5","an3.66:47.6"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"So evaṁ pajānāti:\n‘ahu pubbe lobho, tadahu akusalaṁ, so etarahi natthi, iccetaṁ kusalaṁ;\nahu pubbe doso …pe…\nahu pubbe moho, tadahu akusalaṁ, so etarahi natthi, iccetaṁ kusalan’ti.\nSo diṭṭheva dhamme nicchāto nibbuto sītibhūto sukhappaṭisaṁvedī brahmabhūtena attanā viharatī”ti.\nChaṭṭhaṁ.","en":"They understand:\n‘Formerly there was greed, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.\nFormerly there was hate, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.\nFormerly there was delusion, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.’\nSo they live without wishes in this very life, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss, with self become divine.”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/an3.66/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}