{"id":"sn24.36","title":"Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"sn24.36","title":"Neither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists","units":[{"id":"sn24.36:0","sourceIds":["sn24.36:0.1","sn24.36:0.2","sn24.36:0.3"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Saṁyutta Nikāya 24.36\n2. Dutiyagamanavagga\nNevahotinanahotisutta","en":"Linked Discourses 24.36\n2. The Second Round\nNeither Still Exists Nor No Longer Exists"}},{"id":"sn24.36:1","sourceIds":["sn24.36:1.1","sn24.36:1.2","sn24.36:1.3","sn24.36:1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sāvatthinidānaṁ.\n“Kismiṁ nu kho, bhikkhave, sati, kiṁ upādāya, kiṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:\n‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti?\n“Bhagavaṁmūlakā no, bhante, dhammā …pe…","en":"At Sāvatthī.\n“Mendicants, when what exists, because of grasping what and insisting on what, does the view arise:\n‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death’?”\n“Our teachings are rooted in the Buddha. …”"}},{"id":"sn24.36:2","sourceIds":["sn24.36:2.1","sn24.36:2.2","sn24.36:2.3","sn24.36:2.4","sn24.36:2.5","sn24.36:2.6","sn24.36:2.7"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Rūpe kho, bhikkhave, sati, rūpaṁ upādāya, rūpaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:\n‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti.\n“Vedanāya sati …\nsaññāya sati …\nsaṅkhāresu sati …\nviññāṇe sati, viññāṇaṁ upādāya, viññāṇaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:\n‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’ti.","en":"“When form exists, because of grasping form and insisting on form, the view arises:\n‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’\nWhen feeling …\nperception …\nchoices …\nconsciousness exists, because of grasping consciousness and insisting on consciousness, the view arises:\n‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’"}},{"id":"sn24.36:3","sourceIds":["sn24.36:3.1","sn24.36:3.2","sn24.36:3.3","sn24.36:3.4","sn24.36:3.5","sn24.36:3.6","sn24.36:3.7","sn24.36:3.8","sn24.36:3.9","sn24.36:3.10","sn24.36:3.11","sn24.36:3.12","sn24.36:3.13","sn24.36:3.14","sn24.36:3.15","sn24.36:3.16","sn24.36:3.17","sn24.36:3.18","sn24.36:3.19"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Taṁ kiṁ maññatha, bhikkhave,\nrūpaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?\n“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,\napi nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjeyya:\n‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti?\n“No hetaṁ, bhante”.\n“Iti kho, bhikkhave, dukkhe sati, dukkhaṁ upādāya, dukkhaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:\n‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti.\n“Vedanā …\nsaññā …\nsaṅkhārā …\nviññāṇaṁ niccaṁ vā aniccaṁ vā”ti?\n“Aniccaṁ, bhante” …pe… vipariṇāmadhammaṁ,\napi nu taṁ anupādāya evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjeyya:\n‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti?\n“No hetaṁ, bhante”.\n“Iti kho, bhikkhave, dukkhe sati, dukkhaṁ upādāya dukkhaṁ abhinivissa evaṁ diṭṭhi uppajjati:\n‘neva hoti na na hoti tathāgato paraṁ maraṇā’”ti.\nAṭṭhārasamaṁ.","en":"What do you think, mendicants?\nIs form permanent or impermanent?”\n“Impermanent, sir.” …\n“And so, when suffering exists, because of grasping suffering and insisting on suffering, the view arises:\n‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’” …\n“Is feeling …\nperception …\nchoices …\nconsciousness permanent or impermanent?”\n“Impermanent, sir.” …\n“But by not grasping what’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, would such a view arise?”\n“No, sir.”\n“And so, when suffering exists, because of grasping suffering and insisting on suffering, the view arises:\n‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death.’”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/sn24.36/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}