{"id":"snp4.12","title":"The Shorter Discourse on Arrayed For Battle","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"snp4.12","title":"The Shorter Discourse on Arrayed For Battle","units":[{"id":"snp4.12:0","sourceIds":["snp4.12:0.1","snp4.12:0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sutta Nipāta 4.12\nCūḷabyūhasutta","en":"Anthology of Discourses 4.12\nThe Shorter Discourse on Arrayed For Battle"}},{"id":"snp4.12:1","sourceIds":["snp4.12:1.1","snp4.12:1.2","snp4.12:1.3","snp4.12:1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Sakaṁsakaṁdiṭṭhiparibbasānā,\nViggayha nānā kusalā vadanti;\nYo evaṁ jānāti sa vedi dhammaṁ,\nIdaṁ paṭikkosamakevalī so.","en":"“Each maintaining their own view,\nthose who are skilled disagree, arguing:\n‘Whoever sees it this way understands the teaching;\nthose who reject this are inadequate.’"}},{"id":"snp4.12:2","sourceIds":["snp4.12:2.1","snp4.12:2.2","snp4.12:2.3","snp4.12:2.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Evampi viggayha vivādayanti,\nBālo paro akkusaloti cāhu;\nSacco nu vādo katamo imesaṁ,\nSabbeva hīme kusalāvadānā”.","en":"So arguing, they dispute,\nsaying, ‘The other is a fool, an amateur!’\nWhich of these is a true statement,\nfor all of them profess to be experts?”"}},{"id":"snp4.12:3","sourceIds":["snp4.12:3.1","snp4.12:3.2","snp4.12:3.3","snp4.12:3.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Parassa ce dhammamanānujānaṁ,\nBālomako hoti nihīnapañño;\nSabbeva bālā sunihīnapaññā,\nSabbevime diṭṭhiparibbasānā.","en":"“If not accepting another’s teaching\nmakes you a useless fool lacking wisdom,\nthen they’re all fools lacking wisdom,\nfor they all maintain their own view."}},{"id":"snp4.12:4","sourceIds":["snp4.12:4.1","snp4.12:4.2","snp4.12:4.3","snp4.12:4.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sandiṭṭhiyā ceva na vīvadātā,\nSaṁsuddhapaññā kusalā mutīmā;\nNa tesaṁ koci parihīnapañño,\nDiṭṭhī hi tesampi tathā samattā.","en":"But if having your own view makes you pristine—\npure in wisdom, expert and thoughtful—\nthen none of them lack wisdom,\nfor such is the view they have all embraced."}},{"id":"snp4.12:5","sourceIds":["snp4.12:5.1","snp4.12:5.2","snp4.12:5.3","snp4.12:5.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Na vāhametaṁ tathiyanti brūmi,\nYamāhu bālā mithu aññamaññaṁ;\nSakaṁ sakaṁ diṭṭhimakaṁsu saccaṁ,\nTasmā hi bāloti paraṁ dahanti”.","en":"I do not say that it is correct\nwhen they call each other fools.\nEach has built up their own view to be the truth,\nwhich is why they take the other as a fool.”"}},{"id":"snp4.12:6","sourceIds":["snp4.12:6.1","snp4.12:6.2","snp4.12:6.3","snp4.12:6.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Yamāhu saccaṁ tathiyanti eke,\nTamāhu aññe tucchaṁ musāti;\nEvampi vigayha vivādayanti,\nKasmā na ekaṁ samaṇā vadanti”.","en":"“What some say is true and correct,\nothers say is hollow and false.\nSo arguing, they dispute;\nwhy don’t ascetics say the same thing?”"}},{"id":"snp4.12:7","sourceIds":["snp4.12:7.1","snp4.12:7.2","snp4.12:7.3","snp4.12:7.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Ekañhi saccaṁ na dutīyamatthi,\nYasmiṁ pajā no vivade pajānaṁ;\nNānā te saccāni sayaṁ thunanti,\nTasmā na ekaṁ samaṇā vadanti”.","en":"“The truth is one, there is no second,\nunderstanding which folk would not dispute.\nBut those ascetics each boast of different truths;\nthat’s why they don’t say the same thing.”"}},{"id":"snp4.12:8","sourceIds":["snp4.12:8.1","snp4.12:8.2","snp4.12:8.3","snp4.12:8.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Kasmā nu saccāni vadanti nānā,\nPavādiyāse kusalāvadānā;\nSaccāni sutāni bahūni nānā,\nUdāhu te takkamanussaranti”.","en":"“But why do they speak of different truths,\nthese proponents who profess to be experts?\nAre there really so many different truths,\nor do they just follow their own lines of reasoning?”"}},{"id":"snp4.12:9","sourceIds":["snp4.12:9.1","snp4.12:9.2","snp4.12:9.3","snp4.12:9.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"“Na heva saccāni bahūni nānā,\nAññatra saññāya niccāni loke;\nTakkañca diṭṭhīsu pakappayitvā,\nSaccaṁ musāti dvayadhammamāhu.","en":"“No, there are not many different truths\nthat, apart from perception, are lasting in the world.\nHaving formed their reasoning regarding different views,\nthey say there are two things: true and false."}},{"id":"snp4.12:10","sourceIds":["snp4.12:10.1","snp4.12:10.2","snp4.12:10.3","snp4.12:10.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Diṭṭhe sute sīlavate mute vā,\nEte ca nissāya vimānadassī;\nVinicchaye ṭhatvā pahassamāno,\nBālo paro akkusaloti cāha.","en":"The seen, heard, or thought, or precepts or vows—\nbased on these they show disdain.\nStanding in judgment, they scoff,\nsaying, ‘The other is a fool, an amateur!’"}},{"id":"snp4.12:11","sourceIds":["snp4.12:11.1","snp4.12:11.2","snp4.12:11.3","snp4.12:11.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Yeneva bāloti paraṁ dahāti,\nTenātumānaṁ kusaloti cāha;\nSayamattanā so kusalāvadāno,\nAññaṁ vimāneti tadeva pāva.","en":"They take the other as a fool on the same grounds\nthat they speak of themselves as an expert.\nProfessing to be expert on their own authority,\nthey disdain the other while saying the same thing."}},{"id":"snp4.12:12","sourceIds":["snp4.12:12.1","snp4.12:12.2","snp4.12:12.3","snp4.12:12.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atisāradiṭṭhiyā so samatto,\nMānena matto paripuṇṇamānī;\nSayameva sāmaṁ manasābhisitto,\nDiṭṭhī hi sā tassa tathā samattā.","en":"They are perfect, according to their own extreme view;\ndrunk on conceit, imagining themselves proficient.\nThey have anointed themselves in their own mind,\nfor such is the view they have embraced."}},{"id":"snp4.12:13","sourceIds":["snp4.12:13.1","snp4.12:13.2","snp4.12:13.3","snp4.12:13.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Parassa ce hi vacasā nihīno,\nTumo sahā hoti nihīnapañño;\nAtha ce sayaṁ vedagū hoti dhīro,\nNa koci bālo samaṇesu atthi.","en":"If the word of your opponent makes you deficient,\nthen they too are lacking wisdom.\nBut if on your own authority you’re a knowledge master, an attentive one,\nthen there are no fools among the ascetics."}},{"id":"snp4.12:14","sourceIds":["snp4.12:14.1","snp4.12:14.2","snp4.12:14.3","snp4.12:14.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Aññaṁ ito yābhivadanti dhammaṁ,\nAparaddhā suddhimakevalī te;\nEvampi titthyā puthuso vadanti,\nSandiṭṭhirāgena hi tebhirattā.","en":"‘Those who proclaim a teaching other than this\nhave fallen short of purity, and are inadequate’:\nso say each one of the sectarians,\nfor they are deeply attached to their own view."}},{"id":"snp4.12:15","sourceIds":["snp4.12:15.1","snp4.12:15.2","snp4.12:15.3","snp4.12:15.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Idheva suddhiṁ iti vādayanti,\nNāññesu dhammesu visuddhimāhu;\nEvampi titthyā puthuso niviṭṭhā,\nSakāyane tattha daḷhaṁ vadānā.","en":"‘Here alone is purity,’ they say,\ndenying that there is purification in other teachings.\nThus each one of the sectarians, being dogmatic,\nspeaks forcefully within the context of their own journey."}},{"id":"snp4.12:16","sourceIds":["snp4.12:16.1","snp4.12:16.2","snp4.12:16.3","snp4.12:16.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sakāyane vāpi daḷhaṁ vadāno,\nKamettha bāloti paraṁ daheyya;\nSayaṁva so medhagamāvaheyya,\nParaṁ vadaṁ bālamasuddhidhammaṁ.","en":"But in that case, so long as they are speaking forcefully of their own journey,\nhow can they take the other as a fool?\nThey are the ones who provoke conflict\nwhen they call the other a fool with an impure teaching."}},{"id":"snp4.12:17","sourceIds":["snp4.12:17.1","snp4.12:17.2","snp4.12:17.3","snp4.12:17.4","snp4.12:17.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Vinicchaye ṭhatvā sayaṁ pamāya,\nUddhaṁsa lokasmiṁ vivādameti;\nHitvāna sabbāni vinicchayāni,\nNa medhagaṁ kubbati jantu loke”ti.\nCūḷabyūhasuttaṁ dvādasamaṁ.","en":"Standing in judgment, measuring by their own standard,\nthey dispute with the world more and more.\nBut a personage who has given up all judgments\ncreates no conflict in the world.”"}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/snp4.12/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}