{"id":"snp4.8","title":"With Pasūra","languageCodes":["en","pi"],"languageNotes":{"en":"Bhikkhu Sujato · CC0","pi":"Mahāsaṅgīti edition · SuttaCentral"},"chapters":[{"id":"snp4.8","title":"With Pasūra","units":[{"id":"snp4.8:0","sourceIds":["snp4.8:0.1","snp4.8:0.2"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sutta Nipāta 4.8\nPasūrasutta","en":"Anthology of Discourses 4.8\nWith Pasūra"}},{"id":"snp4.8:1","sourceIds":["snp4.8:1.1","snp4.8:1.2","snp4.8:1.3","snp4.8:1.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Idheva suddhī iti vādayanti,\nNāññesu dhammesu visuddhimāhu;\nYaṁ nissitā tattha subhaṁ vadānā,\nPaccekasaccesu puthū niviṭṭhā.","en":"“Here alone is purity,” they say,\ndenying that there is purification in other teachings.\nSpeaking of the beauty in that which they depend on,\neach one is dogmatic about their own idiosyncratic interpretation."}},{"id":"snp4.8:2","sourceIds":["snp4.8:2.1","snp4.8:2.2","snp4.8:2.3","snp4.8:2.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Te vādakāmā parisaṁ vigayha,\nBālaṁ dahantī mithu aññamaññaṁ;\nVadanti te aññasitā kathojjaṁ,\nPasaṁsakāmā kusalā vadānā.","en":"Desiring debate, they plunge into an assembly,\nwhere each takes the other as a fool.\nRelying on others they state their contention,\ndesiring praise while claiming to be skilled."}},{"id":"snp4.8:3","sourceIds":["snp4.8:3.1","snp4.8:3.2","snp4.8:3.3","snp4.8:3.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Yutto kathāyaṁ parisāya majjhe,\nPasaṁsamicchaṁ vinighāti hoti;\nApāhatasmiṁ pana maṅku hoti,\nNindāya so kuppati randhamesī.","en":"Addicted to debating in the midst of the assembly,\ntheir need for praise makes them nervous.\nBut when they’re repudiated they get embarrassed;\nupset at criticism, they find fault in others."}},{"id":"snp4.8:4","sourceIds":["snp4.8:4.1","snp4.8:4.2","snp4.8:4.3","snp4.8:4.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Yamassa vādaṁ parihīnamāhu,\nApāhataṁ pañhavimaṁsakāse;\nParidevati socati hīnavādo,\nUpaccagā manti anutthunāti.","en":"If their doctrine is said to be weak,\nand judges declare it repudiated,\nthe loser weeps and wails,\nmoaning, “They beat me.”"}},{"id":"snp4.8:5","sourceIds":["snp4.8:5.1","snp4.8:5.2","snp4.8:5.3","snp4.8:5.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Ete vivādā samaṇesu jātā,\nEtesu ugghātinighāti hoti;\nEtampi disvā virame kathojjaṁ,\nNa haññadatthatthi pasaṁsalābhā.","en":"When these disputes come up among ascetics,\nthey get excited or dejected.\nSeeing this, refrain from contention,\nfor the only purpose is praise and profit."}},{"id":"snp4.8:6","sourceIds":["snp4.8:6.1","snp4.8:6.2","snp4.8:6.3","snp4.8:6.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Pasaṁsito vā pana tattha hoti,\nAkkhāya vādaṁ parisāya majjhe;\nSo hassatī unnamatī ca tena,\nPappuyya tamatthaṁ yathā mano ahu.","en":"But if, having declared their doctrine,\nthey are praised there in the midst of the assembly,\nthey laugh and gloat because of it,\nhaving got what they wanted."}},{"id":"snp4.8:7","sourceIds":["snp4.8:7.1","snp4.8:7.2","snp4.8:7.3","snp4.8:7.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Yā unnatī sāssa vighātabhūmi,\nMānātimānaṁ vadate paneso;\nEtampi disvā na vivādayetha,\nNa hi tena suddhiṁ kusalā vadanti.","en":"Their pride is their downfall,\nyet they speak from conceit and arrogance.\nSeeing this, one ought not dispute,\nfor those who are skilled say this is no way to purity."}},{"id":"snp4.8:8","sourceIds":["snp4.8:8.1","snp4.8:8.2","snp4.8:8.3","snp4.8:8.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Sūro yathā rājakhādāya puṭṭho,\nAbhigajjameti paṭisūramicchaṁ;\nYeneva so tena palehi sūra,\nPubbeva natthi yadidaṁ yudhāya.","en":"As a warrior, after feasting on royal food,\ngoes roaring, looking for someone to fight—\ngo off and find an opponent, Sūra,\nfor here, as before, there is no one to combat."}},{"id":"snp4.8:9","sourceIds":["snp4.8:9.1","snp4.8:9.2","snp4.8:9.3","snp4.8:9.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Ye diṭṭhimuggayha vivādayanti,\nIdameva saccanti ca vādayanti;\nTe tvaṁ vadassū na hi tedha atthi,\nVādamhi jāte paṭisenikattā.","en":"When someone disputes about a view they’ve adopted,\nsaying, “This is the only truth,”\nsay to them, “Here you’ll have no adversary\nwhen a dispute has come up.”"}},{"id":"snp4.8:10","sourceIds":["snp4.8:10.1","snp4.8:10.2","snp4.8:10.3","snp4.8:10.4"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Visenikatvā pana ye caranti,\nDiṭṭhīhi diṭṭhiṁ avirujjhamānā;\nTesu tvaṁ kiṁ labhetho pasūra,\nYesīdha natthī paramuggahītaṁ.","en":"There are those who live far from the crowd,\nnot countering views with view.\nWho is there to argue with you, Pasūra,\namong those who grasp nothing here as the highest?"}},{"id":"snp4.8:11","sourceIds":["snp4.8:11.1","snp4.8:11.2","snp4.8:11.3","snp4.8:11.4","snp4.8:11.5"],"kind":"text","text":{"pi":"Atha tvaṁ pavitakkamāgamā,\nManasā diṭṭhigatāni cintayanto;\nDhonena yugaṁ samāgamā,\nNa hi tvaṁ sakkhasi sampayātaveti.\nPasūrasuttaṁ aṭṭhamaṁ.","en":"And so you come along speculating,\nthinking up theories in your mind.\nNow that you’ve challenged someone who is cleansed,\nyou’ll not be able to respond."}}]}],"sourceRevision":"afdafa92450cfe7573b280da50382888323666d2","sourceUrl":"https://suttacentral.net/snp4.8/en/sujato","licence":"CC0 1.0","licenceUrl":"https://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/","editionNote":"Full supplied source file; inherited abbreviations are preserved. Not a reconstructed expansion of every repetition. No Malay or Mandarin translation is implied."}